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sevengem
Senior Member
Chinese
- Dec 9, 2016
- #1
Our sales has greatly improved, _____ in the figure.
Is it "as is shown" or "as shown"? Why? Thanks!
Keith Bradford
Senior Member
Brittany, NW France
English (Midlands UK)
- Dec 9, 2016
- #2
Both are good.
dojibear
Senior Member
Fresno CA
English (US - northeast)
- Dec 9, 2016
- #3
sevengem said:
"Shown" is the past participle of "show". Past participles are used in several ways.
One use is to make a passive verb:
I show the book.
The book is shown.
...as I show in the figure.
...as is shown in the figure.
Another use acts like an adjective:
as shown in the figure.
A clearer example of the adjective use is the past participle "beaten":
verb: He was beaten.
adj: He looks beaten.
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sevengem
Senior Member
Chinese
- Dec 12, 2016
- #4
Can I also fill in "which is shown"?
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sevengem
Senior Member
Chinese
- Dec 12, 2016
- #5
dojibear said:
"Shown" is the past participle of "show". Past participles are used in several ways.
One use is to make a passive verb:
I show the book.
The book is shown.
...as I show in the figure.
...as is shown in the figure.Another use acts like an adjective:
as shown in the figure.A clearer example of the adjective use is the past participle "beaten":
verb: He was beaten.
adj: He looks beaten.
When "shown " serves as an adjective, what is "as" then? A preposition?
Keith Bradford
Senior Member
Brittany, NW France
English (Midlands UK)
- Dec 12, 2016
- #6
Yes. It means "like, similar to..."
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sevengem
Senior Member
Chinese
- Dec 12, 2016
- #7
But it seems rare to see "as mentioned above".
Keith Bradford
Senior Member
Brittany, NW France
English (Midlands UK)
- Dec 12, 2016
- #8
That's a perfectly good expression and not rare.
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Ivan_I
Banned
Russian
- Jan 19, 2019
- #9
So, basically we can say either "as shown - as is shown", "as known - as is known", "as mentioned - as is mentioned"?
Keith Bradford
Senior Member
Brittany, NW France
English (Midlands UK)
- Jan 19, 2019
- #10
Yes. Isn't English fun!
dojibear
Senior Member
Fresno CA
English (US - northeast)
- Jan 19, 2019
- #11
"Show, know, mention" are all verbs. Each has a subject (who is showing?), a direct object (what are they showing?) and an indirect object (who are they showing it to?).
Sometimes you can omit 1 or more of these 3 things, but all 3 are implied. Even in sentences where we call "shown" an adjective (to match "grammar rules") it still has the same meaning: someone is showing something to someone. There are many different ways to re-arrange these 3 nouns, often omitting some of them.
Birds can fly, as is shown (by the author to the reader) in picture 1.
Birds can fly, as shown (by the author to the reader) in picture 1.
Birds can fly, as shown (to the reader) by picture 1.
Birds can fly, as picture 1 shows (the reader).
Birds can fly, as I show you in picture 1.
In picture 1, I show you that birds can fly.
Picture 1 shows a bird flying (to the reader).
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jakartaman
Senior Member
Korean
- Dec 10, 2020
- #12
Hi, may I add a question here? It is relevant to this thread.
Can you please tell me why 4 doesn't work?
1. as is shown = as shown
2. as is known = as known
3. as is mentioned = as mentioned
but
4. as is expected (x), as expected (o) (source)
Thank you!
dojibear
Senior Member
Fresno CA
English (US - northeast)
- Dec 10, 2020
- #13
A. In your link, Parla says that "gets bigger" is wrong, not that "as is expected" is wrong.
B. "As expected" means "as was expected", which means "as (someone) expected".
But you need to consider the verb's subject for this phrase to make sense.
1. as is shown in the picture
2. as is known by who? who knows this?
3. as is mentioned in the text shown here
4. as was expected by who? who expected this?
It is meaningless to say "as was expected" or "as is known" unless you tell us who knows this, or who expected this.
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dojibear
Senior Member
Fresno CA
English (US - northeast)
- Dec 10, 2020
- #14
These phrases are not "idioms" or "standard phrases". They are normal words, using normal grammar to express meaning.
Each expression needs to have meaning ("make sense"), not "fit a pattern".
The words "shown", "known", "mentioned" and "expected" are past participles of the verbs "show, know, mention, expect". They are being used the same way countless other part participles are used:
- as mounted
- as decorated
- as blamed
- as requested
- as decided
- as agreed to
Is there a missing "is"? A missing "was"? That depends on the sentence, and how this phrase is used in the sentence.
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